It definitely took hundreds of millions of years of evolution (I no longer believe in old Earth creationism) on Earth for all of types of Earthly life (and the extinct Earthly life) to come into existences, and billions of years for Earth to form, and cosmological evolution has been taking place for billions of years. But when I spoke of according to a certain type of reasoning "... the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long" I was meaning according the WT's line of reasoning which they had prior to some time in the 1980s. After that time they stopped specifying precisely how long they think each of the biblical 6 creative periods/"days" (and one period/"day" of rest for Jehovah) were.
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1975 on the back burner
by Fisherman in“1975” still marks 6000 years from the creation of adam in wt calendar.
according to “all scriptures inspired” book, there is a gap between the creation of adam and the creation of eve and her marriage to adam.
it was at that point in time when eve was created that marked the end of the 6th creative day and the beginning of god’s rest, the 7th day as recorded in genesis.
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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body
by WingCommander inthis has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
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The news about the removal of Tony Morris is now reported on the https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/02/28/anthony-morris-iii-removed-from-jehovahs-witness-governing-body-after-17-years/ web page. The news is thus now reaching the regular public.
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All hell breaking out in jw land now this!
by nowwhat? inhttps://wgntv.com/evanston/shots-fired-by-66-year-old-man-in-alleged-financial-deal-gone-wrong-evanston-police-say/.
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Hellothere, Beth Sarim, and others, when I made the post which says "... get out while you still can get out alive ..." I was not being entirely serious. I was being partly serious and largely comical (and theatrical). Furthermore, my post was not saying JWs who believe in the JW religion should get out. Instead I was saying those JWs who are PIMOs should get out. Since PIMO means Physically In Mentally Out, that means the PIMOs no longer believe in the religion (other than possibly parts of it).
Hellothere, you made a good point though about those who were born in and who also have JW family members. But I wasn't specifically urging anyone to officially leave the religion (such as by "disassociation"). [I have not even officially left the religion.] A person could physically get out, in the sense of simply ceasing to attend meetings inside the kingdom halls and ceasing to engage in field service outside of their home. For example, some of them could attend meetings only on Zoom (despite the governing now strongly discouraging most JWs to such) and engage in field service time only by writing one letter per month. Perhaps to attend the Memorial that now would have to be in person, but that would only be one day per year. By doing such they would not be at risk of being killed inside a kingdom hall by an angry wacko person. Those things would be easy to do if they don't have any JW family members living in their home.
I was raised as a JW ("born in") but about 10 years after I began living by myself I started becoming PIMO, and within a few years after that I was mostly POMO. When I became mostly POMO I began reading the entire Bible (reading some Bible books in one English translation another Bible books in other translations). I read through the whole Bible - including the Apocrypha and some books which didn't even make it into the Apocrypha.
Furthermore, probably some of the Mentally Out JWs who live in the same home as believing JWs family members, might still be able to reduce the number of days in which they go inside a kingdom hall, and the amount of time they spend going door door in field service (and the number of days in which they go out in field service).
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All hell breaking out in jw land now this!
by nowwhat? inhttps://wgntv.com/evanston/shots-fired-by-66-year-old-man-in-alleged-financial-deal-gone-wrong-evanston-police-say/.
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Even more news: Jehovah’s Witnesses Excommunicated Elder Files KSh 252m Defamation Suit Against Church . It says in part the following.
"The lawsuit against the church stems from a case in which he was accused of defilement, Mwebantu records.
Apart from that, Joseck Kunda also wants the court to grant him compensatory damages for unlawful dismissal and payment of accrued severance benefits since leaving the association.
... In 2019, he was charged with a sexual offence before the Kabwe Magistrate’s Court but was later acquitted on July 10 the same year after the prosecution failed to prove the case.
Despite his innocence being upheld, the association went ahead and dismissed him after subjecting him to a congregation trial using its judicial committee.
... Kunda maintains that the defamatory and libellous sentiments were made entirely on malicious falsehood, affecting the way of his public and private life.
He says that since then, he has suffered serious and irreparable injury to his reputations as an elder, overseer and pioneer in the defendant’s association."
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All hell breaking out in jw land now this!
by nowwhat? inhttps://wgntv.com/evanston/shots-fired-by-66-year-old-man-in-alleged-financial-deal-gone-wrong-evanston-police-say/.
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All hell breaking out in jw land now this!
by nowwhat? inhttps://wgntv.com/evanston/shots-fired-by-66-year-old-man-in-alleged-financial-deal-gone-wrong-evanston-police-say/.
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It is a wake up call for all PIMOs to become POMOs! In other words "get out of her my people" while you still can, if you don't want to experience wrath and tribulation!
Watch Tower the Great is about to fall. Her "waters" are drying up.
Some of the JWs are snapping from stress and from cognitive dissonance, and are thus going nuts (even going berserk) and are going on a rampage. For your own sake, get out while you still can get out alive!
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1975 on the back burner
by Fisherman in“1975” still marks 6000 years from the creation of adam in wt calendar.
according to “all scriptures inspired” book, there is a gap between the creation of adam and the creation of eve and her marriage to adam.
it was at that point in time when eve was created that marked the end of the 6th creative day and the beginning of god’s rest, the 7th day as recorded in genesis.
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I have not clicked on it yet.
Update: I have now quickly read some of it.
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1975 on the back burner
by Fisherman in“1975” still marks 6000 years from the creation of adam in wt calendar.
according to “all scriptures inspired” book, there is a gap between the creation of adam and the creation of eve and her marriage to adam.
it was at that point in time when eve was created that marked the end of the 6th creative day and the beginning of god’s rest, the 7th day as recorded in genesis.
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Folks, today I went to my local library and I found out that none of the branches of my county's public library has The Jewish Study Bible. [However the public library of the nearby county of the largest city of my state has it, but copies of it are already checked out.] However from my local library branch I checked out the following two Bibles.
- The Jewish Annotated New Testament - NRSV, its Editors are Amy-Jill Levine and Marc Zvi Brettler; published by OXFORD University Press
- Complete Jewish Bible: An English Version of the Tanakh (Old Testament) and B'rit Hadashah (New Testament), by David H. Stern
Wikipedia says the following. "David Harold Stern, Ph.D. was an American-born Messianic Jewish theologian of Israeli residence."
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1975 on the back burner
by Fisherman in“1975” still marks 6000 years from the creation of adam in wt calendar.
according to “all scriptures inspired” book, there is a gap between the creation of adam and the creation of eve and her marriage to adam.
it was at that point in time when eve was created that marked the end of the 6th creative day and the beginning of god’s rest, the 7th day as recorded in genesis.
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Fisherman I notice you said "I use the word and so do other Jews ...". Are you a Jew? I thought you were a JW (or at least in agreement with the vast majority of the religious teachings of the WT's JW religion). Are you both a Jew and one of Jehovah's Witnesses?
peacefulpete I know there is diversity of views among Jews (for example, some are even Messianic Jews who believe Jesus is the Messiah and God; some ethnic Jews are even JW elders). But I thought that some religious ideas are held by the vast majority of Jews who believe in the Jewish religion (Judaism).
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1975 on the back burner
by Fisherman in“1975” still marks 6000 years from the creation of adam in wt calendar.
according to “all scriptures inspired” book, there is a gap between the creation of adam and the creation of eve and her marriage to adam.
it was at that point in time when eve was created that marked the end of the 6th creative day and the beginning of god’s rest, the 7th day as recorded in genesis.
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Fisherman, but do those specific Jewish books (the ones you listed) say that Genesis through Deuteronomy are not books of history and not to be understood as books of history? I want to see specific Jewish books which say what KalebOutWest said about Jews not considering the Torah to be history. Also, pretty much the only place I can find Jewish commentary books (in English) is online and at "Powell's Books" store.
Update: KalebOutWest has now provided a list of books.
Ah yes, The Jewish Study Bible is a good book. I have never owned it but I think I have seen that Jewish study Bible at the local library.
Regarding "how days 1-3 of the creative week set the stage for days 4-6" I have read of that in some theologically liberal Christian books and websites, and that the view thus enables some Christians to reconcile biological evolution with the book of Genesis. For example, I have seen it described in The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha - Expanded Edition - RSV and in an edition of The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha - NRSV.
Thanks KalebOutWest for the references and other information.